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The Princess and the Frog

roses (by iconz_kthx)
Have Disney movies always pushed the heterosexual agenda this hard?

TIANA'S DAD (in the flashback scene): It's important to have dreams, baby, but remember that the most important thing is LOVE -- for instance the love between myself and YOUR MOM.

TIANA'S MOM (interrupting Tiana's "I can make my dreams come true if I just I work really really hard" song): Yes yes, dreams are good, but when are you going to have time for LOVE? (I want grandkids!)

WISE OLD SWAMP LADY: You know what you want, dearie, but have you thought about what you NEED?**

On the other hand R and I decided that Prince Naveen's parents -- the ones who cut him off for being an irresponsible good-for-nothing layabout -- must loooooooooove her. Pretty girl got our son to stop sleeping around? And spending our money? And throwing wild parties? And disgracing our names? And he even went out and got a job? Yes please!

**Hint: A Man.

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skatergurljb
Dec. 14th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
LULZ. I'm so torn about this Disney film. In my community, we're half happy that Disney finally made a black princess, and the other half is pissed that the prince isn't black too. LULZ. I'm in the former half, but I don't know what to say about the hetero agenda! lol I mean, it sucks, (really hard) but I'm not surprised.
Which is really sad.
sub_divided
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)
Well, it's a princess movie, so there's gonna be a prince and they're gonna get married. I accept that, okay. But then why did every single role model character in the movie have to bluntly remind Tiana that LOVE >>> DREAMS? It felt like she was being pushed into marrying Naveen, instead of the romance developing naturally.

Sounds rough. ^^ But then Prince Naveen is an irresponsible good-for-nothing, so if he'd been a black man, maybe people would be complaining that he's a bad role model or a bad stereotype, instead. I thought the "Indian" prince was a good compromise -- except that the name was the only clue that he was Indian, the scriptwriters gave him this weird French accent. Don't you know that la francaise est la language du LURVE, baby?
skatergurljb
Dec. 14th, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
I know!! I personally could care less about the black thing, because seriously, are we back to the nineteen fifties? Isn't that worse???

Um, getting married is the begining, not the ending people!!!! >/ Which is why I rarely read romances. lol

LOL Hahaha. Apparently, french is du lurve language! Disney should just really stop. Seriously, Disney. Stop.
sub_divided
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
What does your community think about the good voodoo / bad voodoo plot?
skatergurljb
Dec. 14th, 2009 06:28 pm (UTC)
They're insulted. But we've such a low expectation, well... we'll take what we can get! lol
ayalesca
Dec. 14th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)
OTOH if you have not-white AND non-het all at once it can totally be perceived as, well ... a twofer, which is problematic in its own way? Maybe it's a little "safer" - in the current social environment - to advance things separately? Maybe. Even though, yeah, it does suck.
sub_divided
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
I asked R when there was going to be a gay princess. And she was like: desegregation was 50 years ago? ...It'll be another 50 years, then. XD
ubersaurus
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)
I have heard that the movie is pretty poor for role models go in general, since here you have a main character who is working her ass off to achieve her dream, but in the end the only way she can do it is to hook up with some prince and have him do the heavy lifting for her. Oh, and hey, she's screwed if she wants to un-frog without him.
sub_divided
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
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Eh, but they were in 1930s N'Awleans, so that part was realistic. (There's a scene where Tiana's finally got enough for the downpayment on her restaurant, but when she tries to pay, the brokers tell her that someone else has offered the full amount in cash - this other bidder never shows up again, so we decided that he probably never existed in the first place, the brokers just didn't believe that a girl could pay back the money herself.) It's useful to have someone around to sign the contracts, everyone knows it's her restaurant anyway, he's only there to play the geetar.

And if Prince Naveen is going to be her "business partner" (hahaha), and his parents are going to help pay for the renovations on the restaurant out of gratitude that Tiana has finally got him to Do Something With His Life, that's great. Anyway it is true that hard work alone won't get you what you want -- you've got to have charm, too.

But movie is so heavy-handed. ^^ Prince Naveen isn't charming but no-good, he's just no-good, until suddenly, he's marriage material. Since his only real recommendation is that he's a prince, all the characters need to remind Tiana that IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HAVE A MAN IN YOUR LIFE, OKAY - AND YOU BETTER MAKE IT THIS ONE, DO YOU SEE ANY OTHER TALKING FROGS AROUND HERE? Nevermind that he's the reason she's a frog in the first place.

In other words, it's not the concept I object to, but the poor Deus Ex execution. XD (Now a real feminist movie would have had Laddie offering to back Tiana's restaurant, in return for a share in the proceeds.)
inner_v0ice
Dec. 15th, 2009 02:02 am (UTC)
Have Disney movies always pushed the heterosexual agenda this hard?

...uh, yes? XD Okay, no, that's not fair, some movies are better or worse than others. But I remember listening to my CD of Disney Princess songs years ago, and when Someday My Prince Will Come came on, my mom sort of sat me down and said "You realize that you shouldn't actually think that way, right?". XD
I have class in 4 minutes and don't have time to ponder this in-depth, but IIRC the lessons are mostly "heterosexuality as long as the man is an emotionally/intellectually/spiritually fulfilling partner" and such (i.e. the Beast vs. Gaston, John Smith vs. Kocoum, you could even stretch it to include Shang in Mulan and the 3 soldiers in Mulan 2 vs. arranged marriage partners).

On another note, I completely missed the fact that The Princess and the Frog was showing already. XD
sub_divided
Dec. 15th, 2009 02:42 am (UTC)
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XD. Would it be different if I changed the wording on this post to, "Have Disney movies always pushed the heterosexual agenda this explicitly?" Because it's not the default assumption, the main character assumes that she doesn't need a man, which is why her parents etc sit her down and assure her that she does. (Okay okay, so that's not how it happens. It's more like, Tiana talks about how she'll realize her dream if she works hard, and her parents/the swamp lady are like, Aren't you forgetting something, dear? Something important?)

Speaking of Beauty and the Beast, you realize that Belle falls in love with the silverware before she falls in love with the man? The silverware and the furniture! I mean yeah, it sings and dances, but.... (j/k, j/k)

Eagerly awaiting your further thoughts. ^__^
(Anonymous)
Dec. 29th, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
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Please. You totally meant the bit about falling in love with the silverware and the furniture first. ~R
sub_divided
Dec. 29th, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
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I meant it, but I wouldn't have meant it if it wasn't so funny! ...okay okay, you got me. XD;

The other anonymous, that was you too, right? I tried to make the comment visible so I could reply to it, but hit the wrong button and deleted it, instead. ^^

Since you're here, is there anything you wanna add?
(Anonymous)
Dec. 29th, 2009 03:50 pm (UTC)
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Mmm, just that I suspect the plot is checkmark apparent and falling apart at the seams because unlike every other princess movie up until now, it's a Disney original and not an adapted story.

Also, they should make a mixed blood princess and a have her marry a black prince. XD
sub_divided
Dec. 29th, 2009 08:00 pm (UTC)
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the plot is checkmark apparent

It was! Though on the bright side the animal companions had "meaningful story arcs and distinct dreams" (mekosuchinae says).

I'd see that movie. XD
uminohikari
Dec. 18th, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
Well, the nature of a princess movie means that the princess /must/ find a guy :| :|
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