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Attention Blade of the Immortal Fans!

roses (by iconz_kthx)
I'm trying to figure out how many poses from this year's Rising Stars of Manga finalist Samurai Zombie were ripped off from Blade of the Immortal. In the first three volumes of BoTI I found this one, this one, and this one.

...what the heck. I wouldn't do this with a legitimate entry, but here's a zip file of the contest entry in question, for ease of comparison:

Samurai Zombie Dot Zip

The Samurai Zombie figures I'm talking about are on the fourth page bottom right, fifth page top left, and eighth page bottom right. This is using the page numbers on the zip file, where two pages = one page, because the original pages aren't numbered and I can't be bothered to count them. It's really obvious which poses I mean, anyway.

EDIT For the record, since this post is being passed around: I'm not the one who first pointed out the similarities between Samurai Zombie and Blade of the Immortal. That was telophase. She talks about it in her review of this year's Rising Stars of Manga finalists here (first part of post here).

EDIT 2: This panel comparison wins. Recreates the entire last page of Samurai Zombie from Blade of the Immortal panels, among other things (comparison is madame_manga's).

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For the last few days I've been reading_genji. XD about time, I've only been in that community since December! I probably won't be as detailed after chapter 11 (the last chapter I read over the summer in a different translation) since it's a total pain in the neck, but here's my summary/commentary for the first four chapters of The Tale of Genji:

One
Two
Three
Four

Or just check the main community page, they'll be the first four entries from the top. Generally I'm not trying to be entertaining or deep, just thorough, in that the entries are what I honestly think (plus background information so that people who haven't read the book will be able to follow along).

A few general translation notes:
• Seidensticker translation is so much better than Waley, omg. The biggest difference is that one is written in involved Victorian English and has sentences as long as my arm, while the other is written in clear modern English. It might be that Waley's version is closer to the style of the original, which I hear is very involved, but Seidensticker's reads more easily, which is a relief.
• Very few footnotes in Seidensticker. I thought I'd be lost without Waley's notes naming unnamed characters, but it is actually easier to read without them. It figures: I've always been terrible with names, much better with descriptions and relationships.
• So far I don't miss the constant general Heien cultural notes either, but we'll see how I feel about that once I get to the chapters I haven't read yet. XD. I'll probably be okay, because this isn't my first work of Heien-era literature, but if I get stuck on anything I'll ask about it here? Where probably dozens of people will know more about this stuff than I do, and might be willing to explain it to me XD.

Comments

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marej
Mar. 10th, 2006 07:09 pm (UTC)
finalist Samurai Zombie were ripped off from Blade of the Immortal. In the first three volumes of BoTI I found this one, this one, and this one.

...*blinks* wow. that's seven levels of LAMEASS, eh.
sub_divided
Mar. 10th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
I like how he's copying poses from Blade of the Immortal in a comic about a zombie samurai who must kill one thousand men to end a curse, as if it weren't obvious enough on its own.
octopedingenue
Mar. 10th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
I am linking this post to all the BOTI fans I know. (And now I really really need to get caught up on BOTI. Wah!)

I want to go through looking for panels now! It can be a game!
sub_divided
Mar. 10th, 2006 08:40 pm (UTC)
REPOST, grammar
telophase pointed it out in her RSoM reviews (here and here), although I like to think I would have noticed anyway. According to her, at least 25% of the poses are copied. She also says using poses in other manga as a partial reference is one thing; copying the most memorable poses from Blade of the Immortal wholesale and then writing a manga called Samurai Zombie is just dumb. It's a miracle the Tokyopop editors didn't catch on.

Yeah! Like a treasure hunt! (Although now I wonder if I shouldn't have made this its own post, if you're going to link it... ah well, hindsight.)
provetheworst
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
Re: REPOST, grammar
... Is anyone reporting this/going to report it?

I mean, just wonderin'. (Er, I'd actually look at the other posts you've linked, but that'd take EFFORT ok!!)
sub_divided
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
this not being able to reply by email this is BLOODY ANNOYING
At least one person who works for Tokyopop (greenapple2004) reads telophase's journal, so I think it's safe to say they know about it. I might email them with a side-by-side panel comparison after I get clearer idea of exactly how many of the poses in that comic are from Blade of the Immortal.
telophase
Mar. 10th, 2006 10:53 pm (UTC)
Re: REPOST, grammar
Not only is there one Tpop employee who's open about it who's friended my journal, there's another one who is close-mouthed about it who's friended, and at least two others pop in periodically. They know.
worldserpent
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:48 pm (UTC)
Re: REPOST, grammar
Damn, how dumb can the editors of Tpop be?

BTW, a book you might want to read for help on Heian period details is World of the Shining Prince.
telophase
Mar. 11th, 2006 01:33 am (UTC)
Re: REPOST, grammar
Oh - the 25% number was me pulling a stat out of my ass, not me counting them carefully, BTW. :D
apintrix
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:01 pm (UTC)
saw telophase's post, but nice to see reference photos... dude, the woman with the pipe-- can't even bother to alter the reference a *little*?

From someone who spends a great deal of time practicing drawing original poses from scratch, SMACKDOWN.
sub_divided
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:17 pm (UTC)
It is changed! Now she's Evil!

...

There's something Not Right about that panel, the way her head connects to her neck. Twisting your head while smiling evilly puts a lot more strain on the neck than twisting your head while staring pensively off into the middle distance, and yet except for the expression everything's been kept exactly the same, even the hairpins. Which sort of shows that (in this panel, at least) the artist copied the pose without really thinking about what went into it.
apintrix
Mar. 10th, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah-- it's not just the difference of the evil smile contrasted with the copied sameness of the pose. It's simply a lousy job-- the drawing's out of proportion. Definitely copied, and sloppily copied, without understanding the underlying structure of the face.
amei
Mar. 11th, 2006 12:52 am (UTC)
whatthefuckkityfuck T^T

And this is a legit entry. Ass. T^T WHUT DID THEY DO TO MAKIE

T^T Man, you'd think they'd rip off Samura's, yanno, AXXION panels, but I guess that'd take too much artistic skill. D: This makes me a sad meimei. D:
sub_divided
Mar. 11th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
The action panels would have been TOO OBVIOUS lol.
telophase
Mar. 11th, 2006 03:35 am (UTC)
From the first chapter in Last Blood. Compare last panel page 10, first panel page 11.

emmav
Mar. 12th, 2006 10:36 am (UTC)
hi there^_^
Hope you don't mind; it's emsie from the pseudome forums and I wanted to check out your AMV!
Ouch about the rsom entry.....I knew there was a reason I couldn't read the whole thing.....reference is one thing, but eeeep.....>_<
Especially stupid seeing as the entrant is obviosuly a talented artist in the first place...so why bloody copy panels directly and scupper your chances and the respect you may have won????

anyways, hope you don't mind me turning up on your LJ ^_^
sub_divided
Mar. 12th, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
I don't mind! I love getting comments! The psuedodome formus, you mean http://www.pseudome.net/phpBB2/ ? Am I linked from there?

Same reason people copy anything, I guess: he thought he could get away with it. -_-;



emmav
Mar. 13th, 2006 02:16 am (UTC)
Yup - you linked to this post in a thread about the rsom ^_^
It's amazing how many people have an LJ now...I thought it was going to be a link to an image and found an LJ instead! hehe. We're all addicted!
sub_divided
Mar. 13th, 2006 02:54 am (UTC)
Livejournal is pretty awesome. I'm not in the psuedomine forums, though, so it must have been someone else that linked here.

Ah! I found the forum thread. Yup, definitely not patachu. XD I can see where the mistake came in.

Oh, hey, this is pretty handy. So much easier to see what's going on with the images laid out side-by-side like that.
emmav
Mar. 13th, 2006 11:56 am (UTC)
ah - you found sweatdrop^_^
Yup - thought that made it easier to see....

Sorry for the error!! So someone just posted your LJ link I guess. eep. Sorry again!
junosama
Mar. 17th, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
I hope you don't mind if I referred to this LJ entry from my LJ - I'm personally someone who has zero-tolerance for art theft, and I always believe in spreading the word when I come across a local loser :D
sub_divided
Mar. 18th, 2006 03:09 am (UTC)
Don't mind at all, thanks for letting me know!
maramala
Mar. 19th, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
Doing the same here, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 18th, 2006 02:52 am (UTC)
samurai zombie immitates art
The plot point of resceing the baby is taken from Samurai Seven.
elegantnmad
Mar. 18th, 2006 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm still sitting here wondering when they're going to take it down...
0_o.

-gynocrat
iatros
Mar. 19th, 2006 08:53 am (UTC)
I don't know...I was able to make it through Waley without much of a problem but kept getting stuck on Seidensticker due specifically to the lack of footnoting (and forgetting who was who). I'm thinking I'll try the Taylor as I was really impressed by the footnoting (this of course comes from someone who read Sei Shonagon in the two volume set with the second being footnotes and what not XD;) Incidentally...that whole reading_genji comm seems cool XD (*adds to FL*)

*found this link due to the Blade of the Immortal content*
sub_divided
Mar. 19th, 2006 03:43 pm (UTC)
It's hard to forget who's who when you're writing notes for every chapter, is what I've been finding out. XD otherwise I would probably be having trouble too.

You mean Ivan Morris' two-volume set? I read that! Greaaaaat fotenotes. Generally I'm a footnotes kind of girl, so it's sort of strange to not be missing them here.

reading_genji is a fun comm. You should read some of the early chapter summaries, they're hillarious.

*thanks for letting me know *g* *
mini_sys
Mar. 25th, 2006 05:23 am (UTC)
i found this blog entry from animenewsnetwork, and i hope u dont mind if someone as random as me decided to stop by and say a few things here ^__^

i gotta give u guys props for spotting the wrong deeds hendra has committed in his entry. if tokyopop editors were to find out about this sooner, wouldnt they still keep the artist from getting into the final stage of the competition (and perhaps disqualify him right away for plagiarism)?? for some reason i still find it hard to believe that this could happen in a such a high-level manga competition ^^. did tokyopop just find out about this *after* viewing this entry?? just wondering if the faults really belong to the editors for letting this one through to the final.

i have nothing against tokyopop at all, since there r just so many mangas out there that people can use for references (or copying like how hendra did) i can understand if this one can go through right under their noses. for now i just wish i could stalk hendra and decapitate him myself for the crimes he has commited >.<

wonder what tokyopop is gonna do to this hendra dude now. are they still gonna keep him among the top 20s? i wish they would disqualify him right away or do something to him for the wrongs he had done.
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